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Cresenda Jones's avatar

Thanks for sharing.

So sad... and humanistic, white, western culture..."never-ending quest for numerical growth".

Jesud wasn't that way.

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Lori's avatar

In the churches I was in, it is no longer happening like this. But it certainly happened “back in the day,” and I’m still paying the toll it took on my health (physical, mental, and spiritual).

Some of us came out of high-control, demanding, abusive families. Our problem was deeper than just not knowing how to say no. Our nervous systems were already conditioned to jump at every command; the subconscious fear and guilt of not “obeying” were unbearable. For us, love and fear were inextricably commingled in a way that others cannot grasp. For me, not obeying as a child resulted in severe physical and mental punishment. In the church, the stakes became even higher - harsh eternal torment in hell. The impact, largely subconscious, had a detrimental effect that continued to impact my heath for decades after the church demands ended.

I remember a leader’s meeting back in the 90’s where our church leader berated all of us over our poor “stats” for the week. Not enough visitors at church, not enough Bible studies, etc. This was held out as evidence that we were all lazy and wicked and didn’t care enough about all the people going to hell. He yelled, “You’ll have time to rest in heaven!” This is just one of countless examples of fear and guilt being used to intimidate and manipulate members into working ourselves to death. My health was already declining by this point, (debilitating chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia), so guilt trips like this just added to the load I was already carrying. I eventually stopped jumping through the hoops (it took a bit longer to stop carrying guilt about that), but I still observe other people working themselves into poor health even now.

Today, while demands like these may not be overtly happening, there still exists something I call “echoes” of the old days, especially in the younger ministries. Less openly demanding, more subtle, but still guilt-evoking expectations. My daughter has experienced this in the campus and young adult ministries she’s been in, and I have noticed it in other areas too.

There’s so much more I could say about this, but this comment is already long. I’ve recently started my own Substack about how I was affected by my time in the church. It’s been complicated and cumbersome to wrestle through.

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